Tuesday, November 02, 2004

Normally An Independent, But Tonight, I Am A Republican

Bush just won Florida. I yelled out happily "Yes!!!" in my apartment a few minutes ago. I hope I don't make my neighbors mad. Maybe we'll keep the election coverage up here on To Whom, but it's not like people are reading this to see what actually happens.

I had a conversation with a girl last night. It's not that I didn't want to vote for Bush, but her attitude of, if you are a Christian you must for Bush, just bothers me. I know posting conversations has gotten me in trouble in the past, but I just wanted to share this. It is in context, but not all of it. Here is the conversation:

Girl: what are ud oing on here so late?
JeffyJeffW: looking up canidates and figureing out whom i am voting for
Girl: duh
Girl: BUSH
Girl: You're a christian right?
Girl: Bush is like me and you...vote for him.
JeffyJeffW: haha
JeffyJeffW: well, for the sake of arguing
JeffyJeffW: i'll say, i am a christian and if i thought kerry would be a better leader, i would vote for him
JeffyJeffW: but, i dont trust kerry, nor do i trust bush
JeffyJeffW: but i do think bush will do better than kerry
JeffyJeffW: kerry is a fool, his policies are asanine
Girl: Yeah but isn;t in common sense to want someone who shares the same values as you do? Doesn't it make sense to vote someone who is being led and guided by God?
Girl: Does that not make sense?
JeffyJeffW: again, it's politics
JeffyJeffW: i believe God is involved in politics as much as satan is involved
JeffyJeffW: bush is playing the conservative card
JeffyJeffW: i'm not saying he's not faithful
JeffyJeffW: but i doubt a lot
Girl: yeah, but he's a born again Christian. He isn't just playing the "religious card" like people are accusing him of. I heard a guy at church who met with President Bush and he said that Bush layed his hand over his shoulder and started praying for his mom who was dying in the hospital. He was basically saying that Bush is the real deal...not just a phony christian.
JeffyJeffW: yeah, but again
JeffyJeffW: did you see it
JeffyJeffW: i'm not saying he's lying
JeffyJeffW: but i just like to see what people do
JeffyJeffW: not just hear what they say
Girl: lol yeah but you're contradicting your own beliefs...you don't see God but you believe he's real. I have no reason not to believe this man. And I hear stories about Bush and his faith all the time. I mean I'm not saying the mans perfect...but I have peace about him being the President for another 4 years. I think God wants him to be. It'll take a mirical...but it worked 4 years ago.
JeffyJeffW: it isn't a contradiction
JeffyJeffW: comparing basis of bush and God aren't even in the same league
JeffyJeffW: God has evidence for his existance, which has been proven to me thorughout creation, the Bible, and man's testimony
Girl: I just think if you're a Christian then thats what you should look for in a President. He makes tough decisions. Without God's help...we're on our own
JeffyJeffW: see, i dont totally disagree
JeffyJeffW: however, i just think, we should vote for whoever is "the christian"
JeffyJeffW: and that's what a lot of christians tend to push
JeffyJeffW: i'm not saying you are, it just sounds similar to that argument
Girl: true. But..Kerry goes against everything God stands for in the bible and Bush stands up for everything God says in the bible. I just don't see why thats so hard to see
JeffyJeffW: that's not true
JeffyJeffW: he's not even wholly against abortion
JeffyJeffW: kerry could be, as christian as bush
JeffyJeffW: he's catholic
JeffyJeffW: that's up to God
Girl: it's not? Kerry is for abortion and all that. He is as far to the left as you can go....and Bush takes a stand and says NO to aborotion and No to gay marriaged. Even kerry doesn't want gay marriage but won't do anything to stop it.
JeffyJeffW: i dont know if it's our place to legislate morality
JeffyJeffW: states have always recognized marriage
JeffyJeffW: and really, marriage is between God and christians
JeffyJeffW: i dont know if God reconizes marriages of nonchristians
JeffyJeffW: since, it is a practice for God's people
Girl: lol God says to judge by their fruit...I'm judging Kerry by what he stands for. I just think it's weird how you wouldn't be totally for Bush being a Christian. You know there is a spiritual battle going on in the world....you understand how important prayer is...you're outside of the "box" I just thought you would see how Bush is the best one
JeffyJeffW: well, i understand all of those things
JeffyJeffW: however, our vision is limited by falalibiity
JeffyJeffW: falliablity
JeffyJeffW: we're flawed
JeffyJeffW: God knows my heart
JeffyJeffW: even if I vote wrong
Girl: Yes but just pray about it OK? Vote for the one who gives you peace in your heart. And God will bless that
JeffyJeffW: haha, why wouldnt you have assumed i already have done that
Girl: well cuz u just told me you're looking up the canidates trying to figure out who to vote for
Girl: so i just gave you my advice sorry
JeffyJeffW: i never said "look to the canidate"
Girl: JeffyJeffW: looking up canidates and figureing out whom i am voting for
JeffyJeffW: haha "looking up" is a figure of speech
JeffyJeffW: like, researching
Girl: Yeah, I know
Girl: you're researching them
Girl: I know that
Girl: so I said pray about it...and it'll come to you
JeffyJeffW: haha
JeffyJeffW: acutally, before you went into your rant Girl: duh
Girl: BUSH
Girl: You're a christian right?
JeffyJeffW: i was going to say i was looking up for senate, house, and ammendments
Girl: It's just important that he wins. And it's important that all christians band together and make sure Kerry doesn't get in. 4 million christians didn't vote last election. It's time to change that. It's time to change peoples mind who think "oh my one vote dosn't count"
JeffyJeffW: ive already made up my mind

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